I am going to write about something not related to christianity, or atheism this time. This time I'd like to share my recent experience with really close minded people, that believe strongly in something not related with religion, their belief is very similar to religious beliefs, though.
Recently I visited a talk about something called tachyon energy. When I first heard about the theme of the talk, I refused going to watch the talk. Because of the person, who told me about the talk, I knew, this talk won't be about tachyons as in quantum physics described. I knew, it's going to be some sort of esoteric stupidity. But then I changed my mind and thought of it as perfect oportunity to ask some really nasty questions.
So in the end, I went to the place, where the talk was supposed to be presented. I knew, what were the claims of the presentator beforehand, because I had read about them on the internet before the talk. So basically I only listened about tachyon beliefs from a woman, that is actually a veterinair, not a physicist. She talked about how tachyons move faster than light(so far so good), then she talked about how this world is created from tachyons, how tachyons are building blocks of this world(which is not correct). She presented some things called tachyon disks, which looked like CD's, she claimed, these disks have healing powers(which they obviously didn't, but other people attending the talk believed her ultimately). And other things. She claimed she studies University of Integrated Science in California. This "university" is not acredited by any ministry of education in the world. That's one thing. The basic idea of the "university" is, you see, that the science and spirituality is somehow connected, can be somehow connected.
But I rather wonder, what do they really teach in this university? Several people asked the presenter of the talk about specific questions, like how the tachyon products are exactly made. She didn't know the answer, she didn't understand, how the spirituality and science are connected. So what do the students study on that "school"? Clearly, they're not studying the mechanics of how spirituality is connected to the science.
Anyway, let's just focus on how these incorrect statements harm people and economy. First of all.. What are tachyons? Most of you probably never heard about the word. Tachyons are hypothetical particles, that moves faster than light. The key word in that sentence is HYPOTHETICAL. Tachyons have a little story about them and here is, how it goes:
In the 30's or so, some physicists wondered: Is there any particle moving faster than light?
In the 60's some guys looked at the question, made some math and came up with attributes of such hypothetical particles. So one of them is for example, that unlike particles in "our" world(moving slower than light) with increasing energy tachyons slow down. They never reach speed of light(just like particles moving with velocity less than speed of light), but the more energy, the slower they are and the closer they are to the speed of light. With less energy, tachyons move faster and faster. But that's not important.
Physicist encountered serious problems with this type of particle though. They came up with conclusion, this particle is not possible to exist, because it would violate causality.
Here is why: There's a mathematical model, called tachyonic telephone. It goes like this, there are two people, one of them is moving with velocity less than speed of light, the other one moves faster than light. So let's call the slower guy Bob, the faster will be a girl, she is called Alice. Bob sends message(presumably a question, which he wants Alice to answer). Alice receives the message and sends immediately response back to Bob. Because of series of mathematical calculations, it was discovered, that if Alice would send response back to Bob, he would recieve the message sooner, than he even sended the original message to Alice. So this is clear violating of causality and as such is not possible in this world.
That's only one reason, why scientists think, tachyons don't exist. There is much more of them, in fact, I will include wikipedia article about tachyons in the end of this entry. And there you can see more about this issue. With some math background as well.
So right away, the question comes: If the university of integrated science connects science with spirituality, how come, they don't know, that tachyons are impossible to exist? Why they contradict science, if they are using it as their base knowledge, on which they build?
The answer is pretty straightforward. Guess, what you have to do in order to study the university: You have to pay money! They don't care about science, about education, about anything like this at all. They want you to study their "university" so you will pay them, pay for their books and so on and they make it rather simple, so that every person is able to pass actually the university, so that they keep paying for every year. There is absolutely NO science taught in this "school" at all. In fact, when I asked, since they base their arguments on quantum physics, about studying math in this university, I was told by the presenter, they don't study any math, they don't care and they don't need it.
That's funny, because quantum physics is all just math and pretty much almost nothing else. But these people, that believe in such stupid claims are so arogant, they will even argue about science with you, even though they never heard anything about how real science is done. They tend to act like they are the ones, that know the truth about this world and if you are skeptic to their beliefs, you are close minded. It's the other way around actually, because you listen to reason, to what discoveries and precise methodics have to say, they listen only to what they would like to believe. But you will never explain that to fanatics like these.
What happens is terrible somehow, though. Lot of people around the world are being lied to. And they accept it with open arms and are even willing to pay for it. It's really dangerous, because first of all, they spend money, that could be used for anything more meaningfull than this. From this perspective, they are harming economy, what in global scope harms everyone. Not just themselves. The other thing is, that financial means are needed very often to stop crazy ideas like these, when they become dangerous to security of other people. Financial means are needed to reeducate people, to change the view of manipulated crowds of people. This is harming everyone and it's time to face this as real problem, because it already is a problem and because if there won't be done anything, it might become much more serious issue in the future.
Please, if you have read this, I'd like you to first of all get rid of all stupid beliefs, that are in conflict with common sense and reason. You're not harming only yourself, but others as well. The second thing I'd like you to do is persuade other people about rationality, about how other people want you to believe anything crazy, so they can get money from you, about how important is to stop these charlatans. And I hope, there will come a day, we will be able to stand up and say, that all these illogical beliefs are only a matter of past.
Links related to tachyons:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tachyon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tachyonic_antitelephone
Friday, January 28, 2011
Tuesday, December 28, 2010
Atheist turned to Christianity
I've read today a small bit of an interview with some atheist, who became a preacher. Christians will always point out those atheist turned to christianity as to prove, that their way is the right one. When in fact, it does not prove anything. It's complete ignorance to other evidence, because there are also a lot of christians, that in the end convert to atheism. And that's not to be considered as a proof of atheism's right way, as well. Because it doesn't matter, who believes in something. It doesn't make it the reality, even if it would be belief of the wisest person in the world. Just remember those times, when people believed, that the earth is flat. Event those most educated ones. And is the earth flat, just becaused it was believed so?
It's the reason, why someone turned their belief system completely, that should be used to make valid points. And let's face it. Lot of christians get turned to atheism without any really valid reasons. Similar to what happens with atheists turned to christianity. But some people claim to have valid reasons. This converted preacher is one of them. So they asked him, naturally, about his reasons. And they were just plainly wrong. I mean, it's a nice example of when people think, that they gave it much thought, when they really didn't.
His answer was, that he used to believe, that everything is behaving according to laws of physics and everything is only about matter, etc. But then he realized, that, when his thoughts are just some sideproduct of these chemical and physical rules, then there's no real way to tell anything about existence of God. And it's like saying, that I like coffee, but you might like tea. And I am unable to find any logic in this statement. I mean.. Just read it again. It's completely meaningless.
The first wrong assumption is, that this world is only from matter. I mean.. Okey, it is, we don't know about anything else, than matter. But there are unexplained mysteries, like dark energy, which don't behave, like any polite matter would. And it very well might be just something else happening. Something, that could not be explained by matter, but something else. I am not saying, that there is something else. I'm just saying, don't be blind to other options. There certainly CAN be other options. And christians always believe, that atheists think, that everything begins with matter, that matter is the only important thing about this world, and how it works. While it is the most basic principle, by which all the universe works, certainly, there is place for another phenomens of matter's level. And noone says, they aren't, but we don't seem to observe it, yet.
But even so, let's not just jump into conclusion, that then it must be something spiritual going on. Well, no. It doesn't have to. We are speaking about something we don't even know exists, so we can't just say, it must be something spiritual. In fact, there is no place for you to say, it must be anything, unless you can point out some tendencies, that without obvious flaws could explain, what there is other, than matter. Without it.. I'm sorry.. Your argument just can't be taken into account. From what we know so far, the world really works fine without anything spiritual going on.
The biggest problem with spirituality is something, what I want to write a little bit more about, now. By moving to other fallacy in that preacher's reasons for turning to christianity. And he said, that we cannot prove God and that one might say that he likes coffee, the other guy likes tea. Okey, there's big difference, because beverage preference does not try to persuade people about anything. I mean, if you like coffee more, than tea, than you are just drinking it, but there is no such law in physics, that coffee cannot taste well. It's not scientifically testible and it never will be, because it's about personal preference. Science can explain mechanisms behind that preference. But cannot evaluate which preference is more right, because it's simply not an mathematical equation, that needs to be solved. Unlike the beginning of the universe, or existence of God. Okey, we don't know, how to test the possibility of God's existence, or beginning of the universe, yet. But wheter God exist, or not, that is not a preference. That is, wheter some equation is right or wrong. There's big difference between liking coffee or tea and saying that God exist, while the other guy believes, that He doesn't exist. And belief in God can be grounded on evidence(or lack of it), unlike coffee, which you can't prove, that is always tasty for everyone.
But that is not even the point, it's simply one of other fallacies in that statement, in those reasons. But what lot of people, that believe in some kind of higher power exist, think about spirituality is simply wrong. You see... Lot of people will say: You can't explain by matter this and this, it must be some kind of higher power. And that's wrong statement. We established that in some previous entry, that our unability to do so, doesn't make it neccessarily a higher power. And the other thing is.. Okey, so we know Big Bang happened, but we don't know, what was before. So there are a few approaches for this. The most stupid, without giving into it any thought is to say: It was God. One of the other approaches is to say, we are part of some multiverse and our universe, the one we live in was created when in some other dimensions two universes collided. Now.. We can't say for now about any of these two possible approaches, which is right and even if any of them is right.
But what we can see is very obvious difference. Those guys working with other universes might not be right, but they at least EXPLAIN exactly, what happens according to their theory. And it's mathematicaly consistent. If their assumption about more dimensions than 3 is correct, than their theory is very likely to be true, because it's consistent with how the universe works now. But when you say, God made Big Bang, you achieved nothing. You didn't explain anything. How did he created? How do you know, that all those processes that you might claim as God's doing, would not happen without him being there. How is belief in God consistent with what we already know about how the universe works. And what could such belief possibly gain you for new advancement in knowledge of this world.
Like, when people came up with big bang, it ultimatively meant to raise new questions about atoms, matter itself, about space. And answering those questions might very well bring us new technologies, new devices, new knowledge. But imagine God being the answer for universe coming into existence. So what did you gain in human advancement? Like with a cellphone. You could try to study about matter, how electricity works, how to make LCD displays etc.. Or you could pray to God, to produce one(which should not be that difficult task, since he managed to create the universe). And you probably know, that God's lazy-assed and we have to study our world ourselves, without His help, to produce a cellphone. So we had to study what's there and not turning to spirituality. We have to study the nature, if we want to progress. Spirituality won't get us knowledge, studying, observing, thinking and experimenting will.
It's the reason, why someone turned their belief system completely, that should be used to make valid points. And let's face it. Lot of christians get turned to atheism without any really valid reasons. Similar to what happens with atheists turned to christianity. But some people claim to have valid reasons. This converted preacher is one of them. So they asked him, naturally, about his reasons. And they were just plainly wrong. I mean, it's a nice example of when people think, that they gave it much thought, when they really didn't.
His answer was, that he used to believe, that everything is behaving according to laws of physics and everything is only about matter, etc. But then he realized, that, when his thoughts are just some sideproduct of these chemical and physical rules, then there's no real way to tell anything about existence of God. And it's like saying, that I like coffee, but you might like tea. And I am unable to find any logic in this statement. I mean.. Just read it again. It's completely meaningless.
The first wrong assumption is, that this world is only from matter. I mean.. Okey, it is, we don't know about anything else, than matter. But there are unexplained mysteries, like dark energy, which don't behave, like any polite matter would. And it very well might be just something else happening. Something, that could not be explained by matter, but something else. I am not saying, that there is something else. I'm just saying, don't be blind to other options. There certainly CAN be other options. And christians always believe, that atheists think, that everything begins with matter, that matter is the only important thing about this world, and how it works. While it is the most basic principle, by which all the universe works, certainly, there is place for another phenomens of matter's level. And noone says, they aren't, but we don't seem to observe it, yet.
But even so, let's not just jump into conclusion, that then it must be something spiritual going on. Well, no. It doesn't have to. We are speaking about something we don't even know exists, so we can't just say, it must be something spiritual. In fact, there is no place for you to say, it must be anything, unless you can point out some tendencies, that without obvious flaws could explain, what there is other, than matter. Without it.. I'm sorry.. Your argument just can't be taken into account. From what we know so far, the world really works fine without anything spiritual going on.
The biggest problem with spirituality is something, what I want to write a little bit more about, now. By moving to other fallacy in that preacher's reasons for turning to christianity. And he said, that we cannot prove God and that one might say that he likes coffee, the other guy likes tea. Okey, there's big difference, because beverage preference does not try to persuade people about anything. I mean, if you like coffee more, than tea, than you are just drinking it, but there is no such law in physics, that coffee cannot taste well. It's not scientifically testible and it never will be, because it's about personal preference. Science can explain mechanisms behind that preference. But cannot evaluate which preference is more right, because it's simply not an mathematical equation, that needs to be solved. Unlike the beginning of the universe, or existence of God. Okey, we don't know, how to test the possibility of God's existence, or beginning of the universe, yet. But wheter God exist, or not, that is not a preference. That is, wheter some equation is right or wrong. There's big difference between liking coffee or tea and saying that God exist, while the other guy believes, that He doesn't exist. And belief in God can be grounded on evidence(or lack of it), unlike coffee, which you can't prove, that is always tasty for everyone.
But that is not even the point, it's simply one of other fallacies in that statement, in those reasons. But what lot of people, that believe in some kind of higher power exist, think about spirituality is simply wrong. You see... Lot of people will say: You can't explain by matter this and this, it must be some kind of higher power. And that's wrong statement. We established that in some previous entry, that our unability to do so, doesn't make it neccessarily a higher power. And the other thing is.. Okey, so we know Big Bang happened, but we don't know, what was before. So there are a few approaches for this. The most stupid, without giving into it any thought is to say: It was God. One of the other approaches is to say, we are part of some multiverse and our universe, the one we live in was created when in some other dimensions two universes collided. Now.. We can't say for now about any of these two possible approaches, which is right and even if any of them is right.
But what we can see is very obvious difference. Those guys working with other universes might not be right, but they at least EXPLAIN exactly, what happens according to their theory. And it's mathematicaly consistent. If their assumption about more dimensions than 3 is correct, than their theory is very likely to be true, because it's consistent with how the universe works now. But when you say, God made Big Bang, you achieved nothing. You didn't explain anything. How did he created? How do you know, that all those processes that you might claim as God's doing, would not happen without him being there. How is belief in God consistent with what we already know about how the universe works. And what could such belief possibly gain you for new advancement in knowledge of this world.
Like, when people came up with big bang, it ultimatively meant to raise new questions about atoms, matter itself, about space. And answering those questions might very well bring us new technologies, new devices, new knowledge. But imagine God being the answer for universe coming into existence. So what did you gain in human advancement? Like with a cellphone. You could try to study about matter, how electricity works, how to make LCD displays etc.. Or you could pray to God, to produce one(which should not be that difficult task, since he managed to create the universe). And you probably know, that God's lazy-assed and we have to study our world ourselves, without His help, to produce a cellphone. So we had to study what's there and not turning to spirituality. We have to study the nature, if we want to progress. Spirituality won't get us knowledge, studying, observing, thinking and experimenting will.
Friday, December 24, 2010
Celebrating Christmas
This entry will be one of the occassions to criticize atheists actually. Maybe not all of them, but I'd say most of them. The christmas time is here and with it all the other stuff like buying presents, lot of food, christmas markets etc.
Recently, lot of people got disgusted by Christmas time, because the society had turned it into races of who buys the best present. And also who will sell most of the most useless things ever produced, to be later presented as presents. And these people lack a little bit of motivation to celebrate the holiday, nevertheless, most of them do celebrate it.
What I don't understand, though, is why ATHEISTS celebrate Christmas. I believe, most of you are familiar with the events behind Christmas celebration. It's celebrating the birth of Jesus Christ and that is, why every year on december the 25th we celebrate it. To put aside the issue, that the date of birth of Jesus Christ was established much, much later after his supposed death. I even heard about new calculations of his birthday to be around april, or so. Anyway, that is not important.
The important factor here is, the question, why atheists celebrate Christ's birthday? There is no compelling reason for me as to why they do that. And to tell the truth, I myself DO NOT celebrate Christmas for this very reason. As an educated atheist, educated even on the christian point of view, I am not even at all persuaded about him even being born, in the first place. There is no conclusive evidence to that. And there really isn't and I will present you with a link on wikipedia about historicity of Jesus at the end of this entry.
So tell me then. Why do you celebrate it? And I've heard the excuses, like you're with your family etc. Well, what prevents you from being with your family any other day of the year? What prevents you from buying something for them any other day of the year? What prevents you from lot of other things to do any other day? Why do you need it to be done on the Christmas time and even admiting you celebrate Christmas? You could be with your family and do all the other stuff(maybe except making a christmas tree, because it's rather an annoyance in my opinion, anyway) without the pretense of Christmas even on december the 25th(or 24th). But you don't mind to call it celebrating Christmas.
And there is another point to consider. So you don't mind celebrating Christ's birthday, why then on earth you do mind celebrating his last dinner and why don't you go to church? I mean, you act like you don't believe in the stuff, but then there comes Christmas and you're all like Yeah, let's celebrate Christmas.. Yes.. let's celebrate it guys, along with celebrating jesus being born, because that's what it realy is after all and nothing more, nothing less. So I'd like to encourage you to go to your nearest church and celebrate all the other nice stories about Jesus and about God, you very obviously don't mind.
I take the position of not believing all those fairy tales. That also means, I don't celebrate birthdays of fairy tale character.. Just tell me, how many times have you celebrated the birthday of Snowwhite?
This article discusses about historicity of Jesus and I rather encourage you to read it whole:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus
Recently, lot of people got disgusted by Christmas time, because the society had turned it into races of who buys the best present. And also who will sell most of the most useless things ever produced, to be later presented as presents. And these people lack a little bit of motivation to celebrate the holiday, nevertheless, most of them do celebrate it.
What I don't understand, though, is why ATHEISTS celebrate Christmas. I believe, most of you are familiar with the events behind Christmas celebration. It's celebrating the birth of Jesus Christ and that is, why every year on december the 25th we celebrate it. To put aside the issue, that the date of birth of Jesus Christ was established much, much later after his supposed death. I even heard about new calculations of his birthday to be around april, or so. Anyway, that is not important.
The important factor here is, the question, why atheists celebrate Christ's birthday? There is no compelling reason for me as to why they do that. And to tell the truth, I myself DO NOT celebrate Christmas for this very reason. As an educated atheist, educated even on the christian point of view, I am not even at all persuaded about him even being born, in the first place. There is no conclusive evidence to that. And there really isn't and I will present you with a link on wikipedia about historicity of Jesus at the end of this entry.
So tell me then. Why do you celebrate it? And I've heard the excuses, like you're with your family etc. Well, what prevents you from being with your family any other day of the year? What prevents you from buying something for them any other day of the year? What prevents you from lot of other things to do any other day? Why do you need it to be done on the Christmas time and even admiting you celebrate Christmas? You could be with your family and do all the other stuff(maybe except making a christmas tree, because it's rather an annoyance in my opinion, anyway) without the pretense of Christmas even on december the 25th(or 24th). But you don't mind to call it celebrating Christmas.
And there is another point to consider. So you don't mind celebrating Christ's birthday, why then on earth you do mind celebrating his last dinner and why don't you go to church? I mean, you act like you don't believe in the stuff, but then there comes Christmas and you're all like Yeah, let's celebrate Christmas.. Yes.. let's celebrate it guys, along with celebrating jesus being born, because that's what it realy is after all and nothing more, nothing less. So I'd like to encourage you to go to your nearest church and celebrate all the other nice stories about Jesus and about God, you very obviously don't mind.
I take the position of not believing all those fairy tales. That also means, I don't celebrate birthdays of fairy tale character.. Just tell me, how many times have you celebrated the birthday of Snowwhite?
This article discusses about historicity of Jesus and I rather encourage you to read it whole:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus
Saturday, December 18, 2010
The universe couldn't spring into existence just like that
Most of the time, you'll be talking about how the universe came to be, you'll hear lot of different answers. The most honest one is recognizable very easily. The most honest one is "I don't know". And you'll find this answer honest because - well, you don't know either. Unless you happen to be God, or some quantum physicist hidden somewhere in Area 51 and having the solution for any struggle the humanity will have to face(the latter option being a joke)
Some of the guys believe, though, they have to key to wisdom and they KNOW, how it all came to be. Well, of course the answer is pretty easy, lame and you probably thought of that answer for billion of times, always strucking out the stupid idea. Of course, there might be this old-aged man with long white hair and white beard being awfully bored and alone, who in his almightiness just got petty in his retirement and created the Universe. Yeah, and still not satisfied and bored created Adam. Then he heard something about a porn channel somewhere and he thought that this might be damn exciting idea, so he just took Adam's rib and created porn actress Eve.
Probably because of Eve being very poor actress eventually Lucifer got bored(where the fuck did he come from?) and persuaded Eve through a snake with legs to eat some cursed apple. Instead of going to sleep literaly(like in Snow white), she offered the apple Adam and miraculously both got the knowledge and were righteously angered by the knowledge, God payed them miserably for the show. National television probably payed three times more at those (as Bible puts it) perfect times. So they hided from the God. God being reasonably angry about his porn channel main's stars missing just kicked them of the business. He would probably create more competent actors. And he took out snake's legs as punishment for being Satan's tool. Very effective.
So you get to listen to this petty story of a petty man. You probably ask yourself, where's the perfection of this. And there is really lacking one if the story is put like this. But nevermind the other way of telling the story. One might ask for evidence, that it was this retired guy, who created all there is to be. And of course you get all the stories and arguments, how God cannot be tested, everything on the earth showing the existence of God(but somehow failing to point directly to him, right?) and one of the most typical answers: Well, do you know any other way how the universe could come to be? It couldn't spring into existence just like that! And couldn't come from nothing, right?
If you are not educated very well, or you haven't payed attention to what the teacher was saying in the science class, when you were at school, you might possibly consider this as a valid argument. When in fact, it is not. The statement is very wrong by many means. Well first of all, the most basic and greatest mistake in that statement is, that in science we NEVER say, something just came to be, just like that. In fact, science is all about trying to find the very reasons of most of the phenomens in the universe. With some of them science was successfull already, while some other mysteries remain unrevealed to us, yet. But not with the beginning of the universe.
We in fact KNOW there was the Big bang, which was the beginning of the universe. Now, this has been proven scientifically and as it is, we know it just happened. And we can explain some of the mechanisms of it. Before we knew this, the God was something like big bang. Now we don't know, what was before big bang. The thing is, no, that God is exactly there, now. He is before the big bang. At least according to christians. The big bang occured because God commanded it to occur. Why christian know this? Because the universe couldn't just come up like that and couldn't came up out of nothing. But science of course works with lot of possible scenarios, what was before the big bang. We can't tell for sure, that any of this scenarios really happened, but in lot of them we are certain enough, that even though these events didn't lead to actually creating THIS universe, if the universe would work the way those theories predict it, the universe could came to be. Without God being there.
Of course, now, these are only ideas. Maybe they're right, maybe they're wrong. But it doesn't matter as long as this argument is concerned. I only want to show, that the Universe even according to science did not happen just like that->which is what Christians believe, science do. They think that science says, the universe just happen. That's the reason they use the argument in the first place. So they have wrong asumptions as for what science has to say about the universe.
But that's not the only problem with that statement. Other than that it is false because there's for now no way to test if the universe couldn't happen just like that. I mean... How can you prove it could not? Because you can't explain something, it doesn't mean it's impossible. In math you are sometimes presented with task to disprove some mathematical statement. The typical way to do this is find an example, when the statement doesn't work. But if you are unable to do it, it does not validate the statement. The statement doesn't care if you are dumbass or a competent person to find the solution to the problem. This does not affect the validity of the statement. The statement will remain false, even if you are unable to find the example of being it false. Just because you can't find the example, it does not make the statement right.
That's just what about most of the people do, when they say, you can't do something. Well, prove it then. Just because you don't know, how to do it, doesn't make it impossible. This is very important to remember. Don't you ever forget this, because it's one of the most important statements there are. The science itself is driven by this ethernal truth. If hundred years ago you would ask someone if it is possible to have a handheld device, that would allow you to talk to almost anywhere on the earth to almost anyone on the other side of the earth, would show you latest news from all of the countries in the world, would bring you weather forecasts etc. they would of course say, that this is not possible. But if science would take this into account, we wouldn't hold such devices in our hands right now.
The other wrong assumption is, that the universe could not come from nothing. Well there are lot of scenarios, modern physics works with. Some of them say, our universe is part of bigger universe, while other go out in front of people and with calm face they say: The universe could come to existence out of nothing. And in fact, it is surprisingly possible, at least from the math's point of view. If it really happend that way, or some other.. We don't know for now. But the important fact is, that there is always this possibility. At least for now. So the statement "The universe could not come into existence out of nothing" is at least for now wrong. It turns out, it could. Now, most of you would be skeptical about this. In fact, I am a little bit myself skeptical about it. But I am not just blabbering about random stuff and I'll attach to this entry a video, that explains how it is possible for the universe to spring into existence out of nothing. Let's just hope, those guys under Geneva in LHC will bring more light into the issue.
For now, the most important thing is, that one should now, that science does not say, the universe happened jsut like that. That it really came to be because of some rules, which the physics is trying to find. Other important conclusion is, that it is entirely possible, that the universe just came to be. Just like that. There's no real reason to believe otherwise, as long as our knowledge is concerned it could happen just like that. Next thing to remember is, that it's not true, the universe could not came to be out of nothing. In fact, it could and science takes into account this possibility too.
And the promised video about how the universe could come to be out of nothing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Gy1e2olvMw
Some of the guys believe, though, they have to key to wisdom and they KNOW, how it all came to be. Well, of course the answer is pretty easy, lame and you probably thought of that answer for billion of times, always strucking out the stupid idea. Of course, there might be this old-aged man with long white hair and white beard being awfully bored and alone, who in his almightiness just got petty in his retirement and created the Universe. Yeah, and still not satisfied and bored created Adam. Then he heard something about a porn channel somewhere and he thought that this might be damn exciting idea, so he just took Adam's rib and created porn actress Eve.
Probably because of Eve being very poor actress eventually Lucifer got bored(where the fuck did he come from?) and persuaded Eve through a snake with legs to eat some cursed apple. Instead of going to sleep literaly(like in Snow white), she offered the apple Adam and miraculously both got the knowledge and were righteously angered by the knowledge, God payed them miserably for the show. National television probably payed three times more at those (as Bible puts it) perfect times. So they hided from the God. God being reasonably angry about his porn channel main's stars missing just kicked them of the business. He would probably create more competent actors. And he took out snake's legs as punishment for being Satan's tool. Very effective.
So you get to listen to this petty story of a petty man. You probably ask yourself, where's the perfection of this. And there is really lacking one if the story is put like this. But nevermind the other way of telling the story. One might ask for evidence, that it was this retired guy, who created all there is to be. And of course you get all the stories and arguments, how God cannot be tested, everything on the earth showing the existence of God(but somehow failing to point directly to him, right?) and one of the most typical answers: Well, do you know any other way how the universe could come to be? It couldn't spring into existence just like that! And couldn't come from nothing, right?
If you are not educated very well, or you haven't payed attention to what the teacher was saying in the science class, when you were at school, you might possibly consider this as a valid argument. When in fact, it is not. The statement is very wrong by many means. Well first of all, the most basic and greatest mistake in that statement is, that in science we NEVER say, something just came to be, just like that. In fact, science is all about trying to find the very reasons of most of the phenomens in the universe. With some of them science was successfull already, while some other mysteries remain unrevealed to us, yet. But not with the beginning of the universe.
We in fact KNOW there was the Big bang, which was the beginning of the universe. Now, this has been proven scientifically and as it is, we know it just happened. And we can explain some of the mechanisms of it. Before we knew this, the God was something like big bang. Now we don't know, what was before big bang. The thing is, no, that God is exactly there, now. He is before the big bang. At least according to christians. The big bang occured because God commanded it to occur. Why christian know this? Because the universe couldn't just come up like that and couldn't came up out of nothing. But science of course works with lot of possible scenarios, what was before the big bang. We can't tell for sure, that any of this scenarios really happened, but in lot of them we are certain enough, that even though these events didn't lead to actually creating THIS universe, if the universe would work the way those theories predict it, the universe could came to be. Without God being there.
Of course, now, these are only ideas. Maybe they're right, maybe they're wrong. But it doesn't matter as long as this argument is concerned. I only want to show, that the Universe even according to science did not happen just like that->which is what Christians believe, science do. They think that science says, the universe just happen. That's the reason they use the argument in the first place. So they have wrong asumptions as for what science has to say about the universe.
But that's not the only problem with that statement. Other than that it is false because there's for now no way to test if the universe couldn't happen just like that. I mean... How can you prove it could not? Because you can't explain something, it doesn't mean it's impossible. In math you are sometimes presented with task to disprove some mathematical statement. The typical way to do this is find an example, when the statement doesn't work. But if you are unable to do it, it does not validate the statement. The statement doesn't care if you are dumbass or a competent person to find the solution to the problem. This does not affect the validity of the statement. The statement will remain false, even if you are unable to find the example of being it false. Just because you can't find the example, it does not make the statement right.
That's just what about most of the people do, when they say, you can't do something. Well, prove it then. Just because you don't know, how to do it, doesn't make it impossible. This is very important to remember. Don't you ever forget this, because it's one of the most important statements there are. The science itself is driven by this ethernal truth. If hundred years ago you would ask someone if it is possible to have a handheld device, that would allow you to talk to almost anywhere on the earth to almost anyone on the other side of the earth, would show you latest news from all of the countries in the world, would bring you weather forecasts etc. they would of course say, that this is not possible. But if science would take this into account, we wouldn't hold such devices in our hands right now.
The other wrong assumption is, that the universe could not come from nothing. Well there are lot of scenarios, modern physics works with. Some of them say, our universe is part of bigger universe, while other go out in front of people and with calm face they say: The universe could come to existence out of nothing. And in fact, it is surprisingly possible, at least from the math's point of view. If it really happend that way, or some other.. We don't know for now. But the important fact is, that there is always this possibility. At least for now. So the statement "The universe could not come into existence out of nothing" is at least for now wrong. It turns out, it could. Now, most of you would be skeptical about this. In fact, I am a little bit myself skeptical about it. But I am not just blabbering about random stuff and I'll attach to this entry a video, that explains how it is possible for the universe to spring into existence out of nothing. Let's just hope, those guys under Geneva in LHC will bring more light into the issue.
For now, the most important thing is, that one should now, that science does not say, the universe happened jsut like that. That it really came to be because of some rules, which the physics is trying to find. Other important conclusion is, that it is entirely possible, that the universe just came to be. Just like that. There's no real reason to believe otherwise, as long as our knowledge is concerned it could happen just like that. Next thing to remember is, that it's not true, the universe could not came to be out of nothing. In fact, it could and science takes into account this possibility too.
And the promised video about how the universe could come to be out of nothing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Gy1e2olvMw
Thursday, December 16, 2010
Tautology of Christian belief
Just recently I had a small talk about Christian beliefs with my friend, who incidentally is a christian. She wasn't raised as such, she was turned to christianity a few years ago by some small and otherwise very uninteresting christian church. You know, like.. They're all the same, anyway. Maybe except Mormons, because you don't seem to find lot of christian churches, that believe, that God lives on another planet.
We talked with my friend a little about Bible, Holy Spirit and basic stuff like this. There's a bunch of beliefs regarding origins of the Bible so I just wanted to be sure, I know what is her belief on this matter. She presented me quite popular belief of today's christians; According to them Bible was of course written by mortal man, but this mortal man was guided by God.
Well, of course this alone should one make skeptic and jump out and say something like: Are you out of your mind? And in fact, in my mind, it was my first reaction, but I kept my cool and continued with asking questions. I wanted to know how it is possible, that different people claim that they were commanded by God differently. How does one come out and say: Okey, I believe you were commanded by God and point out on the other one and say,you're the idiot, you obviously know nothing about what God wants. Or what Jesus wants us to do. Well those people probably never struck out the very idea. They don't seem to wonder, how it is that they somehow know, what Jesus would do. They're some kind of underworld mind readers, they just can read minds of dead people.
I offered an quick example of previous popes of catholic church. Like.. Most of you reading this article are probably familiar with the information, that the previous pope proposed, that the theory of evolution and christianity are not in conflict at all. But it took only one pope ago, that they all went like: Evolution theory and science are evil, they're Satans work. In fact, all of those previous popes before John Paul the second wished ill long-dead Darwin and wished him ethernal burning in hell in which they were sure, he already suffered for his sinns. Now they even appraised Satan's work, but that didn't seem to bother them, either.
The problem is, that every of these popes claimed to be guided by God. God revealed to them, what is right. But that means, that at least one of them must have made the story up and they simply lied about God revealing to them, what is right and what is not. First of all, why SHOULD I believe, that some person is better suited to be God's messenger, when God is almighty and can talk what he wishes to anyone. Why is it, that only a few "chosen" ones are the ones who just have it right, because they were born and I am just a stupid idiot who doesn't get it? But then here they come, two different popes, one says Evolution is Satan's work, the other one says it's perfectly fine. So now God seems to be hesitant? I don't think so and in fact, most of the people today believe, that previous popes were just wrong. About the evolution anyway. Some of the people don't even think that. And they don't consider much the option, that the current pope might be wrong, either.
So here it is. you only believe PEOPLE when they say anything about God. Not the concept of God, not the God. Only the people claiming they're commanded by God himself. This should just scream out just because of how riddiculous this is, but it gets even further than that. So I asked, how does my friend know, what's real about God and what's not. How does she know, the Bible is real for that matter. And she came out with one of the most typicall christian answers. One of the wrongest answer ever possible. She told me, that the Holy Spirit is her guide. She knows Bible is real, because the Holy Spirit told her so. So I asked her, Ok, but how do you know about it being the Holy Spirit? How do you even know, such thing as Holy Spirit exists? What is your source of the knowledge on this?
She continued with her great fallacy and answered, that she knows about the holy spirit from the Bible. Some of you probably grasped the concept of what I want to present here. For those of you, who don't just continue on reading on. So let me repeat it a little different way, now. She read the Bible, she learned about the Holy spirit. She asked herself if this is real. If the Bible is real. And she answered to herself, yes, it is real and the holy spirit just confirmed it with her. She knew, that what she read is real, because holy spirit told her so. Still don't get it? Well to make it short, she basically said, that she proved to herself that the holy spirit exists by believing that the holy spirit told her so. So you would ask her: Does the holy spirit exist? And she would answer: Oh, yes, indeed he exists, in my mind he just told me so.
Well this is one of the most basic logical fallacy. You see, what she says is this: Holy spirit exists, because he says so. If he says so, he must exist, so what it means in shorter form is this: Holy spirit exists, because it exists. Well but this is a tautology. You could say this: Singing bottle of milk exists, because singing bottle of milk exists. You could say Unicorns exist, because they exist. Yetti exists, because he exists. You haven't proven anything. You only stated, that if let's say Holy spirit exists, well.. yeah.. then... he exists. But the question if he exists wasnt answered by this sentence. The sentence only assumes that something would be true if he would exist. That 'something being' that he exists. This is in mathematics called as stated above a tautology. It's well known fallacy in arguments to use this tautology to prove existence of something.
This is something lot of christians do. They all seem to fail to grasp on the concept and if you are in a debate with a christian and he points out this very same tautology, it should be even your moral duty to warn him about his fallacy, about his argument being invalid and that he should see to it, he wouldn't make mistakes like that in the future. And that was something I've done. After kindhearted warning like this, you'll probably be praised by ignorance, which is another issue for one of my next entries. Until then I hope you will be able to point out more of mistakes in simple logic of arguments of that believing folk and explain it to those less educated folks. Good luck with that.
We talked with my friend a little about Bible, Holy Spirit and basic stuff like this. There's a bunch of beliefs regarding origins of the Bible so I just wanted to be sure, I know what is her belief on this matter. She presented me quite popular belief of today's christians; According to them Bible was of course written by mortal man, but this mortal man was guided by God.
Well, of course this alone should one make skeptic and jump out and say something like: Are you out of your mind? And in fact, in my mind, it was my first reaction, but I kept my cool and continued with asking questions. I wanted to know how it is possible, that different people claim that they were commanded by God differently. How does one come out and say: Okey, I believe you were commanded by God and point out on the other one and say,you're the idiot, you obviously know nothing about what God wants. Or what Jesus wants us to do. Well those people probably never struck out the very idea. They don't seem to wonder, how it is that they somehow know, what Jesus would do. They're some kind of underworld mind readers, they just can read minds of dead people.
I offered an quick example of previous popes of catholic church. Like.. Most of you reading this article are probably familiar with the information, that the previous pope proposed, that the theory of evolution and christianity are not in conflict at all. But it took only one pope ago, that they all went like: Evolution theory and science are evil, they're Satans work. In fact, all of those previous popes before John Paul the second wished ill long-dead Darwin and wished him ethernal burning in hell in which they were sure, he already suffered for his sinns. Now they even appraised Satan's work, but that didn't seem to bother them, either.
The problem is, that every of these popes claimed to be guided by God. God revealed to them, what is right. But that means, that at least one of them must have made the story up and they simply lied about God revealing to them, what is right and what is not. First of all, why SHOULD I believe, that some person is better suited to be God's messenger, when God is almighty and can talk what he wishes to anyone. Why is it, that only a few "chosen" ones are the ones who just have it right, because they were born and I am just a stupid idiot who doesn't get it? But then here they come, two different popes, one says Evolution is Satan's work, the other one says it's perfectly fine. So now God seems to be hesitant? I don't think so and in fact, most of the people today believe, that previous popes were just wrong. About the evolution anyway. Some of the people don't even think that. And they don't consider much the option, that the current pope might be wrong, either.
So here it is. you only believe PEOPLE when they say anything about God. Not the concept of God, not the God. Only the people claiming they're commanded by God himself. This should just scream out just because of how riddiculous this is, but it gets even further than that. So I asked, how does my friend know, what's real about God and what's not. How does she know, the Bible is real for that matter. And she came out with one of the most typicall christian answers. One of the wrongest answer ever possible. She told me, that the Holy Spirit is her guide. She knows Bible is real, because the Holy Spirit told her so. So I asked her, Ok, but how do you know about it being the Holy Spirit? How do you even know, such thing as Holy Spirit exists? What is your source of the knowledge on this?
She continued with her great fallacy and answered, that she knows about the holy spirit from the Bible. Some of you probably grasped the concept of what I want to present here. For those of you, who don't just continue on reading on. So let me repeat it a little different way, now. She read the Bible, she learned about the Holy spirit. She asked herself if this is real. If the Bible is real. And she answered to herself, yes, it is real and the holy spirit just confirmed it with her. She knew, that what she read is real, because holy spirit told her so. Still don't get it? Well to make it short, she basically said, that she proved to herself that the holy spirit exists by believing that the holy spirit told her so. So you would ask her: Does the holy spirit exist? And she would answer: Oh, yes, indeed he exists, in my mind he just told me so.
Well this is one of the most basic logical fallacy. You see, what she says is this: Holy spirit exists, because he says so. If he says so, he must exist, so what it means in shorter form is this: Holy spirit exists, because it exists. Well but this is a tautology. You could say this: Singing bottle of milk exists, because singing bottle of milk exists. You could say Unicorns exist, because they exist. Yetti exists, because he exists. You haven't proven anything. You only stated, that if let's say Holy spirit exists, well.. yeah.. then... he exists. But the question if he exists wasnt answered by this sentence. The sentence only assumes that something would be true if he would exist. That 'something being' that he exists. This is in mathematics called as stated above a tautology. It's well known fallacy in arguments to use this tautology to prove existence of something.
This is something lot of christians do. They all seem to fail to grasp on the concept and if you are in a debate with a christian and he points out this very same tautology, it should be even your moral duty to warn him about his fallacy, about his argument being invalid and that he should see to it, he wouldn't make mistakes like that in the future. And that was something I've done. After kindhearted warning like this, you'll probably be praised by ignorance, which is another issue for one of my next entries. Until then I hope you will be able to point out more of mistakes in simple logic of arguments of that believing folk and explain it to those less educated folks. Good luck with that.
Monday, October 19, 2009
Noah's arc
This time I was inspired by a discussion, that occured at some forum. There was talk about Bible and his Noah's arc. AND some guy claimed, that there is archeological evidence supporting the story of Noah's arc.
I am pretty sure, you've heard about it too. I also have heard about it and at first I believed that, but then again, it's me, so I just kept thinking about it and I came up with idea, that this was indeed a hoax. My reasons were simple, but at least sharp. The first thing is, this "discovery" was claimed to be made lot of years ago. After my personal study, I found out, that first expeditions were made in 19th century and therefore first claims of discovery of Noah's arc come from 19th century. So my point is, when there were reports of this discovery, why wasnt there any scientific consensus about it. Why there is noone to say: Yeah, they did it. They found Noah's arc and the story is true. There was no such thing. Only some people claiming, they saw it when they were at Mount Ararak(which is a little bit misunderstood believed place of Noah's arc position-i'll get to it later anyway) and there were of course people claiming, they've heard about the discovery, or they have read about it. But nothing concrete. After my recent study i found out, there were several people claiming the discovery but every of them was confirmed to be fake.
Other than that, there is no geological evidence for the Flood. Again, I've done my homework, studied about it and geological evidence rather contradicts it, as there are differences in erosion of mountains, according to this theory should live on earth too many living creatures per acre at the same moment etc. I'll post links at the end so you could study it for yourself.
Okey, some of you might ask, where did those guys came to the "discovery" of Noah's arc. How did they know the location etc. In Bible it is said the Noah's arc "docked" at ararat mountains. But this is one of the problems. Lot of researchers (and also people throughout the world) thought, the Noah's arc was on Mount Ararat, so they thought of concrete mount. But that's not, what bible says. In Genesis there is this construction used: mountains of Ararat. This Mount Ararat itself is located in Armenia, by the way. So from the beginning, those archeologists were interested in Mount Ararat instead of the whole territory. And so there were several expeditions made to Mount Ararat, but none of them brought tangible evidence of Noah's arc.
Also there were some eyewitnesses of Noah's arc, but it seems, none of them is going to be taken seriously into account, as all of them sound improbable.
Oh and I should mention one major discovery of "Noah's arc", The Durupinar Site. The reason it was believed, this is actually Noah's arc is, that it consists of a large boat-shaped formation jutting out of the earth and rock. Later the geologists came to the conclusion, it is a natural formation, not an boat. Probably this "discovery" caused the ongoing hoax of the discovery of Noah's arc, which actually isn't really arc at all.
So this is it. No evidence for bible, for genesis and for Noah's arc was found at all. Bible remains being unsupported by evidence, being only a fairy tales book written by men lot of centuries ago in effort to keep control over other people. But anyway, it was great to study all that information about Noah's arc and about Flood as it's broaden my knowledge in these parts of argumenting with christians.
I'll post references for this entry now, so be sure to check them out, there is lot of interesting information there:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Searches_for_Noah%27s_Ark
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flood_geology
I am pretty sure, you've heard about it too. I also have heard about it and at first I believed that, but then again, it's me, so I just kept thinking about it and I came up with idea, that this was indeed a hoax. My reasons were simple, but at least sharp. The first thing is, this "discovery" was claimed to be made lot of years ago. After my personal study, I found out, that first expeditions were made in 19th century and therefore first claims of discovery of Noah's arc come from 19th century. So my point is, when there were reports of this discovery, why wasnt there any scientific consensus about it. Why there is noone to say: Yeah, they did it. They found Noah's arc and the story is true. There was no such thing. Only some people claiming, they saw it when they were at Mount Ararak(which is a little bit misunderstood believed place of Noah's arc position-i'll get to it later anyway) and there were of course people claiming, they've heard about the discovery, or they have read about it. But nothing concrete. After my recent study i found out, there were several people claiming the discovery but every of them was confirmed to be fake.
Other than that, there is no geological evidence for the Flood. Again, I've done my homework, studied about it and geological evidence rather contradicts it, as there are differences in erosion of mountains, according to this theory should live on earth too many living creatures per acre at the same moment etc. I'll post links at the end so you could study it for yourself.
Okey, some of you might ask, where did those guys came to the "discovery" of Noah's arc. How did they know the location etc. In Bible it is said the Noah's arc "docked" at ararat mountains. But this is one of the problems. Lot of researchers (and also people throughout the world) thought, the Noah's arc was on Mount Ararat, so they thought of concrete mount. But that's not, what bible says. In Genesis there is this construction used: mountains of Ararat. This Mount Ararat itself is located in Armenia, by the way. So from the beginning, those archeologists were interested in Mount Ararat instead of the whole territory. And so there were several expeditions made to Mount Ararat, but none of them brought tangible evidence of Noah's arc.
Also there were some eyewitnesses of Noah's arc, but it seems, none of them is going to be taken seriously into account, as all of them sound improbable.
Oh and I should mention one major discovery of "Noah's arc", The Durupinar Site. The reason it was believed, this is actually Noah's arc is, that it consists of a large boat-shaped formation jutting out of the earth and rock. Later the geologists came to the conclusion, it is a natural formation, not an boat. Probably this "discovery" caused the ongoing hoax of the discovery of Noah's arc, which actually isn't really arc at all.
So this is it. No evidence for bible, for genesis and for Noah's arc was found at all. Bible remains being unsupported by evidence, being only a fairy tales book written by men lot of centuries ago in effort to keep control over other people. But anyway, it was great to study all that information about Noah's arc and about Flood as it's broaden my knowledge in these parts of argumenting with christians.
I'll post references for this entry now, so be sure to check them out, there is lot of interesting information there:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Searches_for_Noah%27s_Ark
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flood_geology
Monday, September 21, 2009
The birth of an atheist pt. 2
Continueing my previous entry, I'd like to write down another parts of my life, that have led me to what I am today. I mean, those relevant to my beliefs.
So as I was getting older, I read all possible books(until the point, it's stopped to interest me). I had not the chance to get to information on internet, as there was no computer in our household. After a while, I could use school computers and I did, but back then, these themes just didn't interest me, so I just ignored sites as wikipedia. I was just amazed by being next to computer, because for me it was something very modern, very genious, very attractive. Not caring, that those school computers were all just pieces of junk taken from a scrapheap. But then we've bought new shiny computer with Internet connection and I was just browsing the internet and wether I wanted to or not, information just kept getting to me. I couldn't speak english at that time, so I only read articles written in slovak language(which is my first language). But I found some articles about quantum physics, something more about biology, chemistry and philosophy as well.
All these information made great impression on me and all these pieces of knowledge started to create a system. It was not until I've learned english at least passively, I had the whole idea. But by learning english the access for new information was open. And I took use of it. Suddenly the world changed before me. I've got very cold view on this world, on this life.
There are so many people out there believing, that there must be something above us. Not the christian God explicitly. But some sort of God's power is acknowledged by lot of people in the world. By knowing more and more people I've realized there are several types of these people. According to my observation, there are not very inteligent people to make their own decision, there are people with social problems, people with their mind completely screwed by some religious organisation and also people that simply don't try to search for answers, they just let it to be God's business. Like I wrote in other of my previous entries, these people just need somebody to be blamed for their unsuccess, unhappiness. But that's not the way, that's pretty lame and you know that and those people know that too. They are just scared.
People are scared of death. And what God tells them, it's that they can live forever. So it kinda makes it easier to die. But that's not much of a deal for me. I know, that when I'll die, there is no heaven, no hell, nothing at all. Lot of people know that. Lot of them are not scared. I am not scared. What worser can happen to me, than that I could die? Nothing, right? Well, but I'll die anyway, so what is there to fear, right? This is why we cannot get to heaven nor hell. To begin with, we don't have any souls. This is just a philosophical concept of our thinking, conscience, love and other philosophic stuff. But nothing to touch. It's no material. Why am I so sure? Well that's easy.
There is this proven theory of conservation of material. So no new material comes up from nothing. If we would have soul from some form of material, then after we die, this material goes somewhere and our corporal remains turn to dust. From dust it gets to plants, they get their "food" from it etc etc. It means, that bye every dead person, there would be material disapearing from the Earth to somewhere else. Very soon it would mean, this planet would be much smaller, if not collapsed at all. Well our planet gets bigger(on the contrary of the concept with souls), so it means, there are no souls. Therefore it seems, there is just no chance for afterlife.
Even if you would like to argue, that the soul doesn't have to be materialistic, you wouldn't get your hopes of afterlife much higher. Just ask yourself, what kind of unmaterialistic power would transform material. There are no forces like that discovered by physicists, and although there is no proof, such power could exist(as it was never even considered), then it'll completely break any knowledge we have about this world. And apparently, such system could not work. Our knowledge is not ultimate, but there are things, that are proven and they would contradict the existence of such power. Just look at the conservation of material law. Such power would mean, this proven theory is not right. But we know it is right.
There are several other things running through my mind, but I'll leave them to other entries. See ya in my next entry, bye.
So as I was getting older, I read all possible books(until the point, it's stopped to interest me). I had not the chance to get to information on internet, as there was no computer in our household. After a while, I could use school computers and I did, but back then, these themes just didn't interest me, so I just ignored sites as wikipedia. I was just amazed by being next to computer, because for me it was something very modern, very genious, very attractive. Not caring, that those school computers were all just pieces of junk taken from a scrapheap. But then we've bought new shiny computer with Internet connection and I was just browsing the internet and wether I wanted to or not, information just kept getting to me. I couldn't speak english at that time, so I only read articles written in slovak language(which is my first language). But I found some articles about quantum physics, something more about biology, chemistry and philosophy as well.
All these information made great impression on me and all these pieces of knowledge started to create a system. It was not until I've learned english at least passively, I had the whole idea. But by learning english the access for new information was open. And I took use of it. Suddenly the world changed before me. I've got very cold view on this world, on this life.
There are so many people out there believing, that there must be something above us. Not the christian God explicitly. But some sort of God's power is acknowledged by lot of people in the world. By knowing more and more people I've realized there are several types of these people. According to my observation, there are not very inteligent people to make their own decision, there are people with social problems, people with their mind completely screwed by some religious organisation and also people that simply don't try to search for answers, they just let it to be God's business. Like I wrote in other of my previous entries, these people just need somebody to be blamed for their unsuccess, unhappiness. But that's not the way, that's pretty lame and you know that and those people know that too. They are just scared.
People are scared of death. And what God tells them, it's that they can live forever. So it kinda makes it easier to die. But that's not much of a deal for me. I know, that when I'll die, there is no heaven, no hell, nothing at all. Lot of people know that. Lot of them are not scared. I am not scared. What worser can happen to me, than that I could die? Nothing, right? Well, but I'll die anyway, so what is there to fear, right? This is why we cannot get to heaven nor hell. To begin with, we don't have any souls. This is just a philosophical concept of our thinking, conscience, love and other philosophic stuff. But nothing to touch. It's no material. Why am I so sure? Well that's easy.
There is this proven theory of conservation of material. So no new material comes up from nothing. If we would have soul from some form of material, then after we die, this material goes somewhere and our corporal remains turn to dust. From dust it gets to plants, they get their "food" from it etc etc. It means, that bye every dead person, there would be material disapearing from the Earth to somewhere else. Very soon it would mean, this planet would be much smaller, if not collapsed at all. Well our planet gets bigger(on the contrary of the concept with souls), so it means, there are no souls. Therefore it seems, there is just no chance for afterlife.
Even if you would like to argue, that the soul doesn't have to be materialistic, you wouldn't get your hopes of afterlife much higher. Just ask yourself, what kind of unmaterialistic power would transform material. There are no forces like that discovered by physicists, and although there is no proof, such power could exist(as it was never even considered), then it'll completely break any knowledge we have about this world. And apparently, such system could not work. Our knowledge is not ultimate, but there are things, that are proven and they would contradict the existence of such power. Just look at the conservation of material law. Such power would mean, this proven theory is not right. But we know it is right.
There are several other things running through my mind, but I'll leave them to other entries. See ya in my next entry, bye.
Thursday, September 17, 2009
The birth of an atheist pt. 1
I am already writing my own opinions about the religion, what are my experiences, etc. First of all, i was raised in catholic family. I come from small town, where the church was always right and vicar was the most clever person in the town. Still I'm atheist now. I'm not the only one to turn to atheism despite being raised catholicaly.
First of all, I've never been thinking about God and how did it all begin etc. I was a child. Children have other more important stuff to do, like bike crash, fighting with other kids, playing games, breaking windows, shouting, crying, not behaving and anything you did, when you were a kid. I was reading encyclopedies also, so I was sure at very early age, that the world was created by big bang. Although I was teached, that God created this world, it never came to my mind, that those theories contradicts. Well, even today there are people, who also say, that world was created by big bang, but the one to create big bang was the God, so it kinda maybe makes sense. And when I was a small kid, it was not so important to me, I actually hadn't had a chance to confront those two models (creationism and big bang) yet, until I was 8.
At this age I attended some church meeting, where the vicar begin to speaking about God creating the world. I raised objection to christian "authority" for the first time, saying, that I've read, that the world was created by big bang and life and humans by evolution(I've read so much, when I was a child, so I already at least knew these two theories and the very very very basics of those concepts). The vicar has never answered my objection, he called me "walking encyclopedia" instead, continueing about God's business. Again, I wasn't much bothered by this act, since he changed the topic so early, I couldn't think much about it. Only after a few years I've found out, what was this act about. Of course, he surprised by such objection didn't want to argue with me, since there were parents with us at those sessions at church, so he could get embarassed even more. By this act were my parents happy, their child being inteligent. But on the other hand, that's because my parents really aren't very inteligent.
Still i continued to attend the church, not thinking too much about it. Just remember, how important things were on my mind back then. You really wouldn't argue, those are more important for such child than some chit-chat arguments with people, who believe, that Big Brother whatches over us. So I just ended up reading more and more books and doing more and more kid's stuff. Then I was 10 and I had the oportunity to choose between religion class or ethic class. I wanted to try something new, and although my parents weren't very happy about it, I insisted and since I argumented I just want to try something new(which sounds very reasonable, but a little too advanced thought for 10 years old child), noone ever wondered. And noone blamed me for blahspemy and I alone still attended the church. I went to that ethic class for the first time in my life and it was nothing like any of thous religion classes. It was the best class ever, since there weren't many people in that class(remember, I come from small christian town), so there were even older students in that class. And it was just great.
We moved to another(bigger) town however. I still attended the ethic class, not the religon one, because, that first class just left great impression on me. Very quickly I started to realize I don't completely believe in God. Not even knowing much about atheism, not noticing, what not believing in God means before, I was in complete new world. My family began to worry about me. But my younger brother followed me in my atheistic way. He is the type, that follows people. I quickly estimated myself as being the followed one(stalking rules thought). So, yes. He really didn't care if there is a god or anything. He just followed, what he was said by his idols, then it seems, I was one of them and I influenced his "belief". I don't know, why it's started to bother me. Why I just came to those questions.. Where is the God? Why bad things happen(especialy, why they happen to me, right? )? Why to hope for afterlife? And these questions and other as well came up eventualy.
Searching the answer really wasn't hard. I had the answer with me already, read from all those books I've read. So I just had my answers from what I already knew. It was reading those books, what changed my point of view, after all. I think, that's the case. Yeah, I'm pretty sure. It's funny, how my parents just couldn't give me answer for so many things and I was the one answering my questions, answering my questions even to them. Like I said, my parents aren't very clever, they've never been. They even happened to give me some "adult" questions at the age of 6. No, not sexual, financial. I was actualy thinking about money in very simple pattern, which remained in me even until now. That's been a usefull one.
So I´'ve finally began to take another points of view, getting another opinions, ideas, which ended up in very complex system. I think I want to continue this, but I'll cut it here and you can read the rest in other entry(ies). That'd be all for now, so see you next time, good bye.
First of all, I've never been thinking about God and how did it all begin etc. I was a child. Children have other more important stuff to do, like bike crash, fighting with other kids, playing games, breaking windows, shouting, crying, not behaving and anything you did, when you were a kid. I was reading encyclopedies also, so I was sure at very early age, that the world was created by big bang. Although I was teached, that God created this world, it never came to my mind, that those theories contradicts. Well, even today there are people, who also say, that world was created by big bang, but the one to create big bang was the God, so it kinda maybe makes sense. And when I was a small kid, it was not so important to me, I actually hadn't had a chance to confront those two models (creationism and big bang) yet, until I was 8.
At this age I attended some church meeting, where the vicar begin to speaking about God creating the world. I raised objection to christian "authority" for the first time, saying, that I've read, that the world was created by big bang and life and humans by evolution(I've read so much, when I was a child, so I already at least knew these two theories and the very very very basics of those concepts). The vicar has never answered my objection, he called me "walking encyclopedia" instead, continueing about God's business. Again, I wasn't much bothered by this act, since he changed the topic so early, I couldn't think much about it. Only after a few years I've found out, what was this act about. Of course, he surprised by such objection didn't want to argue with me, since there were parents with us at those sessions at church, so he could get embarassed even more. By this act were my parents happy, their child being inteligent. But on the other hand, that's because my parents really aren't very inteligent.
Still i continued to attend the church, not thinking too much about it. Just remember, how important things were on my mind back then. You really wouldn't argue, those are more important for such child than some chit-chat arguments with people, who believe, that Big Brother whatches over us. So I just ended up reading more and more books and doing more and more kid's stuff. Then I was 10 and I had the oportunity to choose between religion class or ethic class. I wanted to try something new, and although my parents weren't very happy about it, I insisted and since I argumented I just want to try something new(which sounds very reasonable, but a little too advanced thought for 10 years old child), noone ever wondered. And noone blamed me for blahspemy and I alone still attended the church. I went to that ethic class for the first time in my life and it was nothing like any of thous religion classes. It was the best class ever, since there weren't many people in that class(remember, I come from small christian town), so there were even older students in that class. And it was just great.
We moved to another(bigger) town however. I still attended the ethic class, not the religon one, because, that first class just left great impression on me. Very quickly I started to realize I don't completely believe in God. Not even knowing much about atheism, not noticing, what not believing in God means before, I was in complete new world. My family began to worry about me. But my younger brother followed me in my atheistic way. He is the type, that follows people. I quickly estimated myself as being the followed one(stalking rules thought). So, yes. He really didn't care if there is a god or anything. He just followed, what he was said by his idols, then it seems, I was one of them and I influenced his "belief". I don't know, why it's started to bother me. Why I just came to those questions.. Where is the God? Why bad things happen(especialy, why they happen to me, right? )? Why to hope for afterlife? And these questions and other as well came up eventualy.
Searching the answer really wasn't hard. I had the answer with me already, read from all those books I've read. So I just had my answers from what I already knew. It was reading those books, what changed my point of view, after all. I think, that's the case. Yeah, I'm pretty sure. It's funny, how my parents just couldn't give me answer for so many things and I was the one answering my questions, answering my questions even to them. Like I said, my parents aren't very clever, they've never been. They even happened to give me some "adult" questions at the age of 6. No, not sexual, financial. I was actualy thinking about money in very simple pattern, which remained in me even until now. That's been a usefull one.
So I´'ve finally began to take another points of view, getting another opinions, ideas, which ended up in very complex system. I think I want to continue this, but I'll cut it here and you can read the rest in other entry(ies). That'd be all for now, so see you next time, good bye.
Wednesday, September 16, 2009
Creationism vs Evolution royal battle
In this entry I'd like to talk about something else. I don't want to write down actual arguments of any side of this conflict(?). I'd like to describe some interesting things about this fight, instead.
First of all it's the very reason of this conflict. Why either of the sides wants to be the right side? Someone's got to be right, somebody is out of mind. And it must be US who are right. Why? It's not important, what our opinion is, it's our opinion, so we just can't be wrong. Remember, when you last time swore on your mother's death, that you didn't left your keys in your car? You were so sure, you are right. Still, those keys got to your car by some unexplainable miracle. We are so headstrong when it gets to our opinions, we just have to fight for our beliefs. It just like if you had last edible food and someone would try to steal it from you. You would fight to your death for it. So what we are doing, when arguing against our opponent(even in this discussion) is simply fighting for the calmness of our very own being. Fighting for brighter place under the sun, since we are the ones, who are right and deserve it. Just this reason looks very silly to begin such epic fight, to begin with.
Other than that, either are we atheist, or theists, we all believe, that our arguments are strong actually. That's just not the case. Neither atheist or theists have good arguments and the reason is quite simple. Most of these people aren't educated in physics therefore in Big Bang theory(because it's lot of math to this theory, it's more about numbers, than words) neither the evolution theory, which is being still examined as well as big bang theory. Both of these great theories are not fully explained, both have holes in them. But it's sad, atheists don't want to understand that and that theists just don't understand these holes and therefore their arguments are actually out of place, because they get misinformed by print medias, which almost never speak truth. What they call holes of these great theories are mere canards and neither of them is real. Atheists on the other hand are so headstrong, they just don't want to accept, big bang and evolution are not ultimatively correct explanations to what really happend.
Just accept it. You are no scientist, no quantum physicist, you don't understand the modern evolution theory. It's completely unrelevant if you are theist or atheist. Real scientists are not to jump to quick conlusions to questions like afterlife, telephaty or anything like that. They just don't know. They just say it's less probable, to be able to communicate telephaticaly as there's just no evidence to such ability in known world. Neither is there any evidence to afterlife. What i say to afterlife is, there's no way such thing could occur, but that's only my opinion, as there is no evidence to such a thing as a soul. But still, that doesn't scientificaly deny the possibility of existence of soul. We can't just say that mathematical problem is unnegotiable only because we are unable to solve it, right? When you happen to argue with somebody about creationism vs evolution, just remember this fact. You simply don't know almost anything about big bang or evolution. It's the fact. Just face it.
The other interesting thing about this battle is, that despite atheists being totaly outnumbered by theists, still their arguments overwhelm those of theists. Just try to google something about creationism vs evolution and what you will find are almost all atheistic websites and articles written by atheists. I personaly am atheist and write such articles and it feels like being a spartan warrior at Thermopylae battle. It's not so dangerous, though. Well... to this point.. No handgrenades thrown to my room through window until now.
Theists still use the same arguments though. I mean, wherever you live and whatever type of theist you argue with, all of them would say radiometric dating is not appropriate, all of them still do think, we come from monkeys according to evolution theory etc. It's really funny, they all attack those parts of scientific view on what happened, all of these are nothing but cannards, however.
The other thing is, it's atheists, who want to bring up fire. Atheists are attacking theists today(unlike in the past, when atheists were being hunted as misbelievers). The coin's turned to the other side, it's atheists, who are "hunting" theists and forcing them to arguments. I find this part really sad, because if we atheists are right(and we hell know, we are right), why to act like bunch of idiots? Well whatever, everybody has their own conscience.
And what is more, any of the discussion on these theme ends up with total mess, which is created by the losing side of the argument. For me quarrels like these bring nothing good to this world, there are no results of such discussion(there can't be), still it's somehow attracting us to argue, we just like it, don't we?
First of all it's the very reason of this conflict. Why either of the sides wants to be the right side? Someone's got to be right, somebody is out of mind. And it must be US who are right. Why? It's not important, what our opinion is, it's our opinion, so we just can't be wrong. Remember, when you last time swore on your mother's death, that you didn't left your keys in your car? You were so sure, you are right. Still, those keys got to your car by some unexplainable miracle. We are so headstrong when it gets to our opinions, we just have to fight for our beliefs. It just like if you had last edible food and someone would try to steal it from you. You would fight to your death for it. So what we are doing, when arguing against our opponent(even in this discussion) is simply fighting for the calmness of our very own being. Fighting for brighter place under the sun, since we are the ones, who are right and deserve it. Just this reason looks very silly to begin such epic fight, to begin with.
Other than that, either are we atheist, or theists, we all believe, that our arguments are strong actually. That's just not the case. Neither atheist or theists have good arguments and the reason is quite simple. Most of these people aren't educated in physics therefore in Big Bang theory(because it's lot of math to this theory, it's more about numbers, than words) neither the evolution theory, which is being still examined as well as big bang theory. Both of these great theories are not fully explained, both have holes in them. But it's sad, atheists don't want to understand that and that theists just don't understand these holes and therefore their arguments are actually out of place, because they get misinformed by print medias, which almost never speak truth. What they call holes of these great theories are mere canards and neither of them is real. Atheists on the other hand are so headstrong, they just don't want to accept, big bang and evolution are not ultimatively correct explanations to what really happend.
Just accept it. You are no scientist, no quantum physicist, you don't understand the modern evolution theory. It's completely unrelevant if you are theist or atheist. Real scientists are not to jump to quick conlusions to questions like afterlife, telephaty or anything like that. They just don't know. They just say it's less probable, to be able to communicate telephaticaly as there's just no evidence to such ability in known world. Neither is there any evidence to afterlife. What i say to afterlife is, there's no way such thing could occur, but that's only my opinion, as there is no evidence to such a thing as a soul. But still, that doesn't scientificaly deny the possibility of existence of soul. We can't just say that mathematical problem is unnegotiable only because we are unable to solve it, right? When you happen to argue with somebody about creationism vs evolution, just remember this fact. You simply don't know almost anything about big bang or evolution. It's the fact. Just face it.
The other interesting thing about this battle is, that despite atheists being totaly outnumbered by theists, still their arguments overwhelm those of theists. Just try to google something about creationism vs evolution and what you will find are almost all atheistic websites and articles written by atheists. I personaly am atheist and write such articles and it feels like being a spartan warrior at Thermopylae battle. It's not so dangerous, though. Well... to this point.. No handgrenades thrown to my room through window until now.
Theists still use the same arguments though. I mean, wherever you live and whatever type of theist you argue with, all of them would say radiometric dating is not appropriate, all of them still do think, we come from monkeys according to evolution theory etc. It's really funny, they all attack those parts of scientific view on what happened, all of these are nothing but cannards, however.
The other thing is, it's atheists, who want to bring up fire. Atheists are attacking theists today(unlike in the past, when atheists were being hunted as misbelievers). The coin's turned to the other side, it's atheists, who are "hunting" theists and forcing them to arguments. I find this part really sad, because if we atheists are right(and we hell know, we are right), why to act like bunch of idiots? Well whatever, everybody has their own conscience.
And what is more, any of the discussion on these theme ends up with total mess, which is created by the losing side of the argument. For me quarrels like these bring nothing good to this world, there are no results of such discussion(there can't be), still it's somehow attracting us to argue, we just like it, don't we?
Thursday, September 10, 2009
Yet again a parody of "beaten" science
Today i want to talk about an interesting webpage, I have found. Here is the link: http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/creation.shtml
This webpage tries to get creationism on the same level of scientific study as evolution is on. That's okey, but what worries me more are arguments of creators of that webpage. The first thing, your face will get wrinkles about is the theory, that humans and dinosaurs lived together at the same time. And Noah even saved some of them. Although there is no clear evidence, dinosaurs were mentioned in the Bible, authors of that page believe, leviathan, behemoth and tanniyn are actually dinosaurs. They even admit it, they only believe it as they don't have any evidence(and they can't possibly have one, because they believe bible was written by God, who wouldn't tell them anyway). But they go further. They even doubt the time dinosaurs existed. They doubt, last dinosaurs died 65 milions of years ago. I ask... Evidence? There aren't found any dinosaur fossils younger than that. And if those creationists won't find such fossils, well, their opinion really isn't reliable.
Doubting scientific dating of age of dinosaur without evidence isn't the only thing, these people are able to get to. These gentlemen go even further. They doubt scientifing dating of age of the Universe(of course without evidence). It's not like scientists know the exact age of the universe. But they at least know, that universe is at least billions of years old->lot more, than the Bible says. Even catholic church nowadays dares to doubt this fact. Yet, these guys have got balls. And maybe they did forget, but still we can date the age of Earth and we would find out, that Earth is about 4,5 billions years old. And yeah, we are able to because of fossils yet again. Don't you find it odd, authors of this page never mention this method of dating the age of Earth. And they don't even mention the age of Earth.And so we see, that Earth is older than (as the Bible says) Universe. That's frankly impossible. What was the greatest fallacy was argument why measuring the age of some random star is not very exact. This is the one argument:
Do even these guys know, that there is simply no way a star would move so much in such short period of time? Yeah, the universe it's spreading, but not so fast, that stars, that are "nearby" our planet would move so much in such short period of time.
Getting deeper into the webpage you can find out, that these guys admit killings for the sake of higher goodness. God performed murders for the same sake as well, as authors of the webpage claim. A perfect being such as God is(according to what christians and creationists believe) does not need to turn to violence. All this perfect almighty being has to do is prevent things, that bothers him. And he is omniscient, so he would know if something were to happen. The problem with creationists, with author(s) of the Holy Bible and with mere humans is, that we are not very able to understand the mentality of almighty, omniscient being. Perfect, almighty and omniscient being is able (and not able, but he is somehow bound to it) to make the one percet system with no holes, that would be conscious of him, because it spares the trouble. But that's only, when we admit God. I don't admit anything like that. And since you pretty much agree with most of the stuff at this webpage, you don't as well. So my message to authors of that webpage is: Killing is not the solution, the solution is to not let it happen->but then again, we are no gods, to make it possible, and that God of yours doesn't seem to be interested.
I'd like to move to another qutation from the webpage:
Yeah, according to Bible he's so good, he made The Flood, which killed thousand or maybe millions of people and animals and plants. Authors of webpage also say, that everything bad happens, Satan is the one to be blamed for, he's the responsible one. Well, God is almighty and good, why can't he stop him?
I find this part funny as well:
What these guys are doing is typical creationist's way of finding new people stupid enough to believe in their fairy tales. They misinform, they systematicaly hammer down any science speaking, they don't. They find their own scientific(that's odd) proofs, that Bible is right. They just suck. And they don't have evidence. (Science does). Read it yourself, make your own opinion, there is only one thing, I want you to do, check every information they provide with wikipedia or another reliable source of information, to see how many lies there is at that webpage.(And then again, there are these 10 Commandments, one of them tells us not to lie). Good bye.
This webpage tries to get creationism on the same level of scientific study as evolution is on. That's okey, but what worries me more are arguments of creators of that webpage. The first thing, your face will get wrinkles about is the theory, that humans and dinosaurs lived together at the same time. And Noah even saved some of them. Although there is no clear evidence, dinosaurs were mentioned in the Bible, authors of that page believe, leviathan, behemoth and tanniyn are actually dinosaurs. They even admit it, they only believe it as they don't have any evidence(and they can't possibly have one, because they believe bible was written by God, who wouldn't tell them anyway). But they go further. They even doubt the time dinosaurs existed. They doubt, last dinosaurs died 65 milions of years ago. I ask... Evidence? There aren't found any dinosaur fossils younger than that. And if those creationists won't find such fossils, well, their opinion really isn't reliable.
Doubting scientific dating of age of dinosaur without evidence isn't the only thing, these people are able to get to. These gentlemen go even further. They doubt scientifing dating of age of the Universe(of course without evidence). It's not like scientists know the exact age of the universe. But they at least know, that universe is at least billions of years old->lot more, than the Bible says. Even catholic church nowadays dares to doubt this fact. Yet, these guys have got balls. And maybe they did forget, but still we can date the age of Earth and we would find out, that Earth is about 4,5 billions years old. And yeah, we are able to because of fossils yet again. Don't you find it odd, authors of this page never mention this method of dating the age of Earth. And they don't even mention the age of Earth.And so we see, that Earth is older than (as the Bible says) Universe. That's frankly impossible. What was the greatest fallacy was argument why measuring the age of some random star is not very exact. This is the one argument:
What happens if any of the stars moved and/or the light was bent one ten millionth of a degree when the parallax measurement was being made? Under such conditions, we could be led to believe that a star 10,000 light years away was actually 210,000 light years away.
Do even these guys know, that there is simply no way a star would move so much in such short period of time? Yeah, the universe it's spreading, but not so fast, that stars, that are "nearby" our planet would move so much in such short period of time.
Getting deeper into the webpage you can find out, that these guys admit killings for the sake of higher goodness. God performed murders for the same sake as well, as authors of the webpage claim. A perfect being such as God is(according to what christians and creationists believe) does not need to turn to violence. All this perfect almighty being has to do is prevent things, that bothers him. And he is omniscient, so he would know if something were to happen. The problem with creationists, with author(s) of the Holy Bible and with mere humans is, that we are not very able to understand the mentality of almighty, omniscient being. Perfect, almighty and omniscient being is able (and not able, but he is somehow bound to it) to make the one percet system with no holes, that would be conscious of him, because it spares the trouble. But that's only, when we admit God. I don't admit anything like that. And since you pretty much agree with most of the stuff at this webpage, you don't as well. So my message to authors of that webpage is: Killing is not the solution, the solution is to not let it happen->but then again, we are no gods, to make it possible, and that God of yours doesn't seem to be interested.
I'd like to move to another qutation from the webpage:
We know that God is good and God gives good things. The Bible says so in many passages.
Yeah, according to Bible he's so good, he made The Flood, which killed thousand or maybe millions of people and animals and plants. Authors of webpage also say, that everything bad happens, Satan is the one to be blamed for, he's the responsible one. Well, God is almighty and good, why can't he stop him?
I find this part funny as well:
How much does the average person give at church?Do they actually believe, almighty being needs money?! The only one, who needs(or wants) money very badly is the priest of the church, you leave your money in.
We do not know what the world average is, but the average amount in the United States (of all of the people who regularly give money at church) is about $600 a year, or about $12 a week per person. Of course, that is the average. Some people do not give as much, and others contribute tens of thousands of dollars every year. If you have a relationship with God and want to give, the amount is really between you and Him.
What these guys are doing is typical creationist's way of finding new people stupid enough to believe in their fairy tales. They misinform, they systematicaly hammer down any science speaking, they don't. They find their own scientific(that's odd) proofs, that Bible is right. They just suck. And they don't have evidence. (Science does). Read it yourself, make your own opinion, there is only one thing, I want you to do, check every information they provide with wikipedia or another reliable source of information, to see how many lies there is at that webpage.(And then again, there are these 10 Commandments, one of them tells us not to lie). Good bye.
Egyptian gods? Fairy tale
There's been something bothering me for a long time. Do you remeber, when you were teached about first primitive human cultures? Do you remember what was written in almost every history book? About gods of those primitive cultures?
First people didn't know a lot. And whatever they didn't know, whatever they couldn't explain, they just told it was a god. We had then god for lightning, for raining, for floods, for good harvest, for bad harvest etc. And you were teached this like this is absolute foolproof truth. Then you could move to less primitive, but still enough primitive cultures. Like egyptians, greeks etc. They still had gods around, who protected them, punished them, rulled them. These primitive cultures builded pyramides(about which we still don't know, how did they build it->maybe they weren't as much primitive), collosseum and other buildings, that have lasted here for thousands years. Just take a look at that old house not so far from your home, builded by modern cultures. He's been there maybe about 50 years and it's almost so ruined as it's never been there.
Still when you learn about jews or about muslims, you are NEVER told, their God was developed by primitive people, who couldn't explain lightning, so they "created" a god in their mind. In fact, there are teachers saying, that "our" God (i mean.. I am from country with solid catholic tradition) created this world and that if we do something wrong, we go to hell. Lot of teachers use God as actual argument, when they preach a bad pupil.
It's really unfair, that children are teached, that egyptian gods are a mere human excuse for not knowing everything, however christian god, or muslim god, they're okey, noone will ever tell you, they are here just to explain, what we couldn't. But what does make a difference between christian god and egyptian gods? Why is christian god more probable to exist, than those gods from egypt, india, rome... Why is christian god never treated like fairy tale, while slavic gods are always treated like gentile in every history book?
When you face a christian, try to ask him. Try to get actual arguments from him, not just something like: It's obvious, that "our" God is the right one. You would be surprised, how this works on christians.
First people didn't know a lot. And whatever they didn't know, whatever they couldn't explain, they just told it was a god. We had then god for lightning, for raining, for floods, for good harvest, for bad harvest etc. And you were teached this like this is absolute foolproof truth. Then you could move to less primitive, but still enough primitive cultures. Like egyptians, greeks etc. They still had gods around, who protected them, punished them, rulled them. These primitive cultures builded pyramides(about which we still don't know, how did they build it->maybe they weren't as much primitive), collosseum and other buildings, that have lasted here for thousands years. Just take a look at that old house not so far from your home, builded by modern cultures. He's been there maybe about 50 years and it's almost so ruined as it's never been there.
Still when you learn about jews or about muslims, you are NEVER told, their God was developed by primitive people, who couldn't explain lightning, so they "created" a god in their mind. In fact, there are teachers saying, that "our" God (i mean.. I am from country with solid catholic tradition) created this world and that if we do something wrong, we go to hell. Lot of teachers use God as actual argument, when they preach a bad pupil.
It's really unfair, that children are teached, that egyptian gods are a mere human excuse for not knowing everything, however christian god, or muslim god, they're okey, noone will ever tell you, they are here just to explain, what we couldn't. But what does make a difference between christian god and egyptian gods? Why is christian god more probable to exist, than those gods from egypt, india, rome... Why is christian god never treated like fairy tale, while slavic gods are always treated like gentile in every history book?
When you face a christian, try to ask him. Try to get actual arguments from him, not just something like: It's obvious, that "our" God is the right one. You would be surprised, how this works on christians.
Wednesday, September 9, 2009
Homeschooling by radical Christians
I've just read about book speaking about homeschooling in which these passages were:
Now tell me, how in the world can exist such moron. There's nothing bad about homeschooling, even if any of parents is not educated for teaching(maybe). But are these serious? Bible as the universal surviving manual? 'Guess they've upgraded Bible from what it was, when I read it last time. I don't remember there were math, physics, history(i mean REAL history, not fairy tales) in Bible. And we wonder then, how many stupid people are out there. Now you know the reason. Like father, like son i guess. It's really not the son's fault, though.
I personaly think there is a need for examining parents that want to homeschool their children. It's not for the sake of society's goodness. These people live in minority. It's for the sake of those children. They should have the right to learn other things as well, not only the Bible and parents shouldn't be the ones to take that right from them. This right is in Children's rights charter after all.
Fortunately the trend goes the other way. Lunatic families like this are slowly disapearing. I personaly don't have any business with families such as this, they don't affect me after all, but I just can't watch children growing up in such circumstances.
[Father Gary:] “I’m not a wise man in the world’s things. I’m not even academically able to teach a lot of subjects and neither is my wife. We resolved in ourselves years and years ago that if we were able to teach our children character, teach them how to read so that they could read the Bible, we would have done all that is necessary for them to survive this world. And we’re not going to put ourselves up under other people’s ideas of what an educated person is. So we’ve taught each one of them that we would be just as proud to see them hanging off a garbage truck, knowing that they don’t lie, steal, cheat, and despise God.” (p. 72)
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Gary has returned to the kitchen by this point and has been listening to his daughter describe their schoolwork. “We started homeschooling back before it became popular,” he recounts. “Our eldest daughters are twenty-five years old now and they never went to a public school for a day.” He pulls out a chair from the kitchen table and settles himself in it. “The public schools are being assaulted by Satan,” he continues. “In the public schools, we’d be worried about our daughters being raped, assaulted, learning Satan worship, fighting, all the guns, the deaths in the schools, knifings. Teachers molesting children. Homosexuals, you know, demanding their wickedness be crammed into the classroom.”
[Daughter] Sharon shakes her head in disapproval. “The only reason that I would want to go to the public school,” she says, “would be for the socialization. That’s the only reason.”
“But you have that at church,” Gary points out.
Sharon agrees. “We have that anywhere else.”
“And you have that going to Wal-Mart,” Gary adds. (p. 75)
Now tell me, how in the world can exist such moron. There's nothing bad about homeschooling, even if any of parents is not educated for teaching(maybe). But are these serious? Bible as the universal surviving manual? 'Guess they've upgraded Bible from what it was, when I read it last time. I don't remember there were math, physics, history(i mean REAL history, not fairy tales) in Bible. And we wonder then, how many stupid people are out there. Now you know the reason. Like father, like son i guess. It's really not the son's fault, though.
I personaly think there is a need for examining parents that want to homeschool their children. It's not for the sake of society's goodness. These people live in minority. It's for the sake of those children. They should have the right to learn other things as well, not only the Bible and parents shouldn't be the ones to take that right from them. This right is in Children's rights charter after all.
Fortunately the trend goes the other way. Lunatic families like this are slowly disapearing. I personaly don't have any business with families such as this, they don't affect me after all, but I just can't watch children growing up in such circumstances.
Create your own religion!
This is something wandering through my mind for some time. I'd really like to create new religion! Why? Isn't it obvious? To create a religion is one of the greatest moneymaking industry. All you have to do is feeding up people with bullshit. But then again, it's really not me speaking something so unrational, even God seems to be acceptable concept alongside that.
I'd really like to have some rational concept and I've been thinking about it.But it's just impossible. You can't fuse science and religion into one. Even if you really want to, there is no science in giving people hope or threatning them being punished after their death forever. The first thing is, they can't be punished after they are dead. I mean, there is no afterlife. So rational concept doesn't come into mind. It seems I'd have to make something more religious.
But this is a problem for me. I would have to act, like I believe such stupidity. And I would have to do that publicly. I would lose any hope of finding a girlfriend, because who would like to date such moron, right? Maybe another crazy moron female believing in my bullshit. But then again, would you like to have a normal relationship with someone stupid enough to believe obvious fairy tales of yours? I guess it is quite easy to find moronic girlfriend, if you are a leader of some church, though. You have power and there is strange aura about you. Or at least the others see it that way.
To create some new religion and be it's leader, it's quite of a responsible job. It's not only pushing bullshit to your followers heads, you have all of their hopes, fears, dreams (and not to forget all the money) in your hands. Feeling the weight of responsibility yet? Whatever you tell, they'll follow(some of them are sure to follow). So you just can't tell anything, because you could end up losing your members->therefore your money. What is worse, you could end up in jail, since if you would be blamed for founding a sect, in some laws you would be imprisoned. Now you definitely must feel the hardness of the deal.
But what is a religion? When can you tell, you've founded religion and when it is some comic fagotry? It's really not that hard. The only thing you have to think of is someone, or something to be the main cause of everything bad. People are not interested why good things happen to them. As long as they happen to them, they really don't care. What they care is, why is it them, who have to end up with the worst. Why they've lost their job, why has it been them to be robbed, raped, cheated, whatever. Why BAD things happen. Go and tell them: It's the Satan, it's the God, it's that unsympathetic dentist on the corner of your street. It could be even dark grass growing on Jupiter(even though there is no chance anything would grow on Jupiter). Really. It can be anything. As long as you say, what is the cause, it's okey. They'll have something to blame.
What your church is doing is getting rid of the evil, fighting the evil, fighting the bad things, that happen to people. Give examples of how your church is helping and do some help in reality.You'll have to put some money into it, but you'll get much more in the process. Give them hope. Tell, there is mighty being helping them. Maybe helping them through you. It could be yourself, if you are feeling up to it. Just tell them, the help is nearby. You would wonder, how many people would believe in whatever you are saying, because you'll tell them, they are not responsible for them being unsuccessfull, for their fails but on the other hand, you(or your religion) is the way to get better, to have hope, to end up in good situation. People only need to believe, that there is hope. There ultimatively doesn't have to be. They only need to believe that.
And that's what every religion does. It gives hope and it gets the main causer of our problems.
I'd really like to have some rational concept and I've been thinking about it.But it's just impossible. You can't fuse science and religion into one. Even if you really want to, there is no science in giving people hope or threatning them being punished after their death forever. The first thing is, they can't be punished after they are dead. I mean, there is no afterlife. So rational concept doesn't come into mind. It seems I'd have to make something more religious.
But this is a problem for me. I would have to act, like I believe such stupidity. And I would have to do that publicly. I would lose any hope of finding a girlfriend, because who would like to date such moron, right? Maybe another crazy moron female believing in my bullshit. But then again, would you like to have a normal relationship with someone stupid enough to believe obvious fairy tales of yours? I guess it is quite easy to find moronic girlfriend, if you are a leader of some church, though. You have power and there is strange aura about you. Or at least the others see it that way.
To create some new religion and be it's leader, it's quite of a responsible job. It's not only pushing bullshit to your followers heads, you have all of their hopes, fears, dreams (and not to forget all the money) in your hands. Feeling the weight of responsibility yet? Whatever you tell, they'll follow(some of them are sure to follow). So you just can't tell anything, because you could end up losing your members->therefore your money. What is worse, you could end up in jail, since if you would be blamed for founding a sect, in some laws you would be imprisoned. Now you definitely must feel the hardness of the deal.
But what is a religion? When can you tell, you've founded religion and when it is some comic fagotry? It's really not that hard. The only thing you have to think of is someone, or something to be the main cause of everything bad. People are not interested why good things happen to them. As long as they happen to them, they really don't care. What they care is, why is it them, who have to end up with the worst. Why they've lost their job, why has it been them to be robbed, raped, cheated, whatever. Why BAD things happen. Go and tell them: It's the Satan, it's the God, it's that unsympathetic dentist on the corner of your street. It could be even dark grass growing on Jupiter(even though there is no chance anything would grow on Jupiter). Really. It can be anything. As long as you say, what is the cause, it's okey. They'll have something to blame.
What your church is doing is getting rid of the evil, fighting the evil, fighting the bad things, that happen to people. Give examples of how your church is helping and do some help in reality.You'll have to put some money into it, but you'll get much more in the process. Give them hope. Tell, there is mighty being helping them. Maybe helping them through you. It could be yourself, if you are feeling up to it. Just tell them, the help is nearby. You would wonder, how many people would believe in whatever you are saying, because you'll tell them, they are not responsible for them being unsuccessfull, for their fails but on the other hand, you(or your religion) is the way to get better, to have hope, to end up in good situation. People only need to believe, that there is hope. There ultimatively doesn't have to be. They only need to believe that.
And that's what every religion does. It gives hope and it gets the main causer of our problems.
- catholics-bad guy: satan, hope: God
- muslims-bad guys:all those who don't believe in allah, hope:Allah
- scientology-bad guys:diseased human bodies, hope: the only cure-scientology
- ...etc...
Space people
This time i'd like to introduce you guys something not so known outside Czech Republic and Slovak Republic. It's a sect called Space people. They believe, there are thousands of spaceships above our planet and that these ET's are helping us, protecting us from bad aliens called reptiles. The "good" aliens are lead by Ashtar Sheran, human-like being with blond hair and blue eyes(yeah, german type, Hilter would like this guy).
Members of this sect believe, they can communicate with "good" aliens. The founder of this sect-Ivo Benda-published 10 books of his "interviews" with these beings from space at the webpage of this sect, 2 of them were even printed and the first one is already sold out. It's amazing how many stupid people are out there, who believe, that we are controled by bad alien reptiles, which use short-lenght waves broadcasted from the reverse side of the Moon. If anything bad happens to you, just kill the next snake or crocodile you meet, because he is the mental body of one of those bad guys. In this procces we will end up with no reptiles on this planet at all, but for what prize. But at least we are sure to be not controled from the space by short-lenghted waves.
There is impossible amount of fake pictures and videos of UFO's, "interviews" with good aliens, lot of other texts. It's nearly impossible to produce so much bullshit in such short time. Still there is about 8 thousands of pages of text on their official webpage. Although this sect is not an official organisation, it's founder doesn't have to worry about money; He gave up on his job very shortly after the organisation being founded, because he can live with all the money he earns from this sect.
How can this be? There is nothing probable about anything he speaks. It's complete bullshit, not even a scratch of facts and this sect is unacceptable from both scientific and religious side. With no allies this sect continues to live, maybe even spread and what's most unacceptable, they continue to EARN.
What comes from this entry is the fact, that you can tell people WHATEVER you want. They'll eat anything you'll feed them with. They'll give you their money. The only thing you have to tell them is, what is the cause of their troubles and that there is hope for them. Nothing else matters, as it seems.
Members of this sect believe, they can communicate with "good" aliens. The founder of this sect-Ivo Benda-published 10 books of his "interviews" with these beings from space at the webpage of this sect, 2 of them were even printed and the first one is already sold out. It's amazing how many stupid people are out there, who believe, that we are controled by bad alien reptiles, which use short-lenght waves broadcasted from the reverse side of the Moon. If anything bad happens to you, just kill the next snake or crocodile you meet, because he is the mental body of one of those bad guys. In this procces we will end up with no reptiles on this planet at all, but for what prize. But at least we are sure to be not controled from the space by short-lenghted waves.
There is impossible amount of fake pictures and videos of UFO's, "interviews" with good aliens, lot of other texts. It's nearly impossible to produce so much bullshit in such short time. Still there is about 8 thousands of pages of text on their official webpage. Although this sect is not an official organisation, it's founder doesn't have to worry about money; He gave up on his job very shortly after the organisation being founded, because he can live with all the money he earns from this sect.
How can this be? There is nothing probable about anything he speaks. It's complete bullshit, not even a scratch of facts and this sect is unacceptable from both scientific and religious side. With no allies this sect continues to live, maybe even spread and what's most unacceptable, they continue to EARN.
What comes from this entry is the fact, that you can tell people WHATEVER you want. They'll eat anything you'll feed them with. They'll give you their money. The only thing you have to tell them is, what is the cause of their troubles and that there is hope for them. Nothing else matters, as it seems.
Holy Hilter
I'll continue in this entry to describe some another intriguing parts of mormon's beliefs. For this one, I'll have to explain more about Mormons;
First of all, Mormons believe, that we are somehow connected to our living and also dead relatives. This seems to be odd, because, honestly, if we would make a little research in our family tree, well it might be possible, YOU and ME are very far relatives. Still, we are relatives and we are connected. I don't know, who you are, still, there is some spiritual connection between us, don't you feel it? Well I don't. But don't worry. You can't feel anything, because there simply is no connection at all. It's just another fairy tale, mormons spread out. Still, they possess largest genealogical library in the world, it's even multilingual, since mormons are everywhere. They feel internal need for turning the whole world to mormonism.
What's so odd about this connection among relatives is the part of connection to those dead ones. I pretty much understand, why founder(Joseph Smith i believe his name was) of mormons included this (may i call it like that?) feature in mormon's beliefs. It's pretty simple. He needed new members, because he needed their money. And well, he just very badly needed something for attracting people to his church. Just imagine, you could talk to your dead brother, sister, mother, father, grand parents etc. Lot of us really want to. I am sorry, I have to tell you, it's just impossible. But if you still want to believe in talking to your dead relatives, you are free to join mormons. No, that's not it. Your wallet is free to join mormons.
Continuing with those connections with dead relatives, mormonism goes even further. There is even more crazy "extra" feature for mormons. They can turn their dead relatives to mormonism! (As they can't protest against it, it's really simple). Guess, who are the most famous dead mormons baptized dead already: Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin, Joan of Arc, even Buddha. So yeah, Adolf is such holy man, lot of dead jews know lot about it. Just ask them! The only thing i hope for is, noone will ever baptize me after death. But then again, i really wouldn't care, that's sure thing.
So far i'd like to end this "Mormons How to for novices?" tutorial and see you in my next entry with something (i hope so) more interesting.
First of all, Mormons believe, that we are somehow connected to our living and also dead relatives. This seems to be odd, because, honestly, if we would make a little research in our family tree, well it might be possible, YOU and ME are very far relatives. Still, we are relatives and we are connected. I don't know, who you are, still, there is some spiritual connection between us, don't you feel it? Well I don't. But don't worry. You can't feel anything, because there simply is no connection at all. It's just another fairy tale, mormons spread out. Still, they possess largest genealogical library in the world, it's even multilingual, since mormons are everywhere. They feel internal need for turning the whole world to mormonism.
What's so odd about this connection among relatives is the part of connection to those dead ones. I pretty much understand, why founder(Joseph Smith i believe his name was) of mormons included this (may i call it like that?) feature in mormon's beliefs. It's pretty simple. He needed new members, because he needed their money. And well, he just very badly needed something for attracting people to his church. Just imagine, you could talk to your dead brother, sister, mother, father, grand parents etc. Lot of us really want to. I am sorry, I have to tell you, it's just impossible. But if you still want to believe in talking to your dead relatives, you are free to join mormons. No, that's not it. Your wallet is free to join mormons.
Continuing with those connections with dead relatives, mormonism goes even further. There is even more crazy "extra" feature for mormons. They can turn their dead relatives to mormonism! (As they can't protest against it, it's really simple). Guess, who are the most famous dead mormons baptized dead already: Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin, Joan of Arc, even Buddha. So yeah, Adolf is such holy man, lot of dead jews know lot about it. Just ask them! The only thing i hope for is, noone will ever baptize me after death. But then again, i really wouldn't care, that's sure thing.
So far i'd like to end this "Mormons How to for novices?" tutorial and see you in my next entry with something (i hope so) more interesting.
Tuesday, September 8, 2009
Mormon's greatest fallacy
Hi. I am quite new to this type of blog, I'm quite new to blog itself, to be honest. But anyway, it shouldn't influence my opinions, though.
I've seen some webpages about some beliefs of many churches out there, I will probably write about some other as well. Today I am going to write something, I've found out by watching great document called "Religulous". I don't know, if you are familiar with Mormonism, with what they believe, how did they come to this world(that's the greatest mystery even now) and what do they really want. Let's just run through it quickly for those of you, who aren't familiar with those (at least) interesting beings.
Firstly Mormonism is christian offshoot. They believe in the same God as catholics, lutherans or orthodox church. That's a big deal for them, because this is something like insurance. Since they admire this God, even if they're wrong, they'll be forgiven by him, because they've believed in him. Yeah, they might have been wrong, but God is allforgiving, right? (Maybe he could use some of his allforgiving power for atheists too). And honestly, they just MUST be wrong. They believe, that God actually wasn't born as God. He was firstly a man living on a different planet(sorry guys, 'forgot the name) and he lead polygamous life there. A normal guy. After he died, however, his soul evolved into God. Just like that.(Damn, i wish my soul would evolve like that, that would be something...But then again->i would really have to have something like a soul to begin with,wouldn't I?). Okey, but this is, where it begins.
Now we have God that we know from the Bible and yeah, from the New Testament as well. So it begins right where Bible begins. God creates world.. O-ou... Crash! Where did God live when he was man? Wasn't he supposed to be living at some random planet in space? But then again, when he creates world, that means, there couldn't be any before that. Still, he was able to live on an unexisting planet. I'd really like to meet some Mormon to ask him about this. Because it bothers me. How could they believe in such obvious fallacy and fairy tale. Really. When there is creating of the world in the Mormon story(which I believe is included in what Mormons do believe), it's rather a disappointing fact, there is such eye-tearing fallacy in the most basic doctrine of any religion.
It's really dumb and it's even arrogant in some way, because these Mormons want money from you, for which they provide their religion->trust me, not very reliable and worthy one. What you are literaly buying is complete worthless piece of shit. It's like if you were to buy a porn magazine and every naked girl would have man's genitals. Now, can you imagine that? Would you buy such magazine ever again? I hardly doubt it(but for those adventurous ones, i really hope you'll get cured soon-for the God's sake... no, that's not a good one. For the world's goodness's sake).
This is not the only interesting and completely insane and crazy stuff, Mormons believe. I just wanted to point out this one for the beginning. Next time i'll add some maybe even more crazy stuff, like baptizing dead people, lost jews theory etc. Hopefully I'd like to get some feedback, maybe from a Mormon alone, if i get lucky. Now, that would be just perfect, if there is a mormon reading this out there, please let me know, what is your view on this fallacy and how important do you find it to be. And of course you can let me know, that you are a Mormon, but since you'll defend them, it would be clear just by this act alone. Goodbye and hopefully we'll meet in some new entry about Mormons.
I've seen some webpages about some beliefs of many churches out there, I will probably write about some other as well. Today I am going to write something, I've found out by watching great document called "Religulous". I don't know, if you are familiar with Mormonism, with what they believe, how did they come to this world(that's the greatest mystery even now) and what do they really want. Let's just run through it quickly for those of you, who aren't familiar with those (at least) interesting beings.
Firstly Mormonism is christian offshoot. They believe in the same God as catholics, lutherans or orthodox church. That's a big deal for them, because this is something like insurance. Since they admire this God, even if they're wrong, they'll be forgiven by him, because they've believed in him. Yeah, they might have been wrong, but God is allforgiving, right? (Maybe he could use some of his allforgiving power for atheists too). And honestly, they just MUST be wrong. They believe, that God actually wasn't born as God. He was firstly a man living on a different planet(sorry guys, 'forgot the name) and he lead polygamous life there. A normal guy. After he died, however, his soul evolved into God. Just like that.(Damn, i wish my soul would evolve like that, that would be something...But then again->i would really have to have something like a soul to begin with,wouldn't I?). Okey, but this is, where it begins.
Now we have God that we know from the Bible and yeah, from the New Testament as well. So it begins right where Bible begins. God creates world.. O-ou... Crash! Where did God live when he was man? Wasn't he supposed to be living at some random planet in space? But then again, when he creates world, that means, there couldn't be any before that. Still, he was able to live on an unexisting planet. I'd really like to meet some Mormon to ask him about this. Because it bothers me. How could they believe in such obvious fallacy and fairy tale. Really. When there is creating of the world in the Mormon story(which I believe is included in what Mormons do believe), it's rather a disappointing fact, there is such eye-tearing fallacy in the most basic doctrine of any religion.
It's really dumb and it's even arrogant in some way, because these Mormons want money from you, for which they provide their religion->trust me, not very reliable and worthy one. What you are literaly buying is complete worthless piece of shit. It's like if you were to buy a porn magazine and every naked girl would have man's genitals. Now, can you imagine that? Would you buy such magazine ever again? I hardly doubt it(but for those adventurous ones, i really hope you'll get cured soon-for the God's sake... no, that's not a good one. For the world's goodness's sake).
This is not the only interesting and completely insane and crazy stuff, Mormons believe. I just wanted to point out this one for the beginning. Next time i'll add some maybe even more crazy stuff, like baptizing dead people, lost jews theory etc. Hopefully I'd like to get some feedback, maybe from a Mormon alone, if i get lucky. Now, that would be just perfect, if there is a mormon reading this out there, please let me know, what is your view on this fallacy and how important do you find it to be. And of course you can let me know, that you are a Mormon, but since you'll defend them, it would be clear just by this act alone. Goodbye and hopefully we'll meet in some new entry about Mormons.
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